Developing new banning system, ban rules for Minecraft Survival Server.

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Ok lets start an honest and strong conversation here..  about cheating on YASMP.  It's going on all over the place and I'll be the first to admit our system for dealing with it is uneven and even perhaps unfair, where we are quick to permaban a whitenamer over a vip, despite the VIP page and rules stating that ther are no exceptions.  I'm going to start with a frame work and you all can lend your opinion.  And we'll see if by the New Year we can have some new anti-cheat rules and ban rules in place.

1. A 3 day tempban for any player exhibiting hackish behavior supported by accompanying NoCheat log violations.   (While so many will complain and say they lagged, lets be honest, its a BS excuse.  I lag hard, I never get NCP violations unless I'm using one of my hack clients.. and YES I USE HACK CLIENTS, as an ADMIN it is my duty to know how they work, what they can do, and what things happen when they are used in the server logs.)  These bans will be administered by admins only (note to admins, do you receive the NCP violations in your chat? If not let me know).

- what this means.. is, if you start triggering nocheat violations - an admin will invisibly and instantly teleport to you, and if you are exhibiting cheatish behavior you will be given a 3 day, instant and non-appealable tempban with a warning to stop cheating.

Here are things that will get you a ban:

  • Hovering over water, lava, and or block glitching as to appear hovering over ground - although this can be legitamately done via broken game physics, if you do it.. even legitmately - BAN.  So don't do it. It serves no purpose, but is a major indicator of a hack client.  This is not something that is done accidentally or because of lag..   20 years as a gamer and a software developer - dont even try that argument with me.
  • Attack angle violations, too many attacks over time:  In conjunction with an admin witness, if triggered multiple times, this is a hack. It is possible to trigger this will mob farming, standing on something like a step or slab and attacking many mobs through a 1 block hole... however, on the move and in pvp combat..  this is aimbot.
  • NoFall violation:  When nofall violation is triggered it means you are using nofall. I've tested and tried to duplicate and nofall absolutely only triggers NCP when someone is using that specific hack.  I'd give the go ahead for admins to 3 day ban without witness on a nofall if they see fit.
  • Transferring inventory too fast.  I've test and had other test this violation. Attempting to move inventoy to or from your inv and a chest as fast as possible manually.  Again, not possible the NCP nails it.. if you trigger this (inv tweaks, other hacks to rapidly deploy much stuff to/from inventory spaces)  It will be a 3 day ban.

Admins - here are violations that are often false positives.

  • Breaking blocks too fast -  this can happen in some cases legitmately.  Sheers on leaves, diamond shovel on clay, efficiency d-pick on stone, efficiency d-shovel on sand and gravel.  If you are receiving this error, and the player has a bare hand or a normal tool..  then ban.
  • Godmode - this can be legit becuase of lagging out or the player attacking lagging.  As it is, Nocheat cancels the hack and the player should take damage anyway.. so trying to use godmode hacks are really not doing anything anyways,, and since it can easily be a false positive might just have to let that one go.

Now, if there is conclusive proof presented by players like quigy's videos or an admin sees something with their own eyes that is undeniable (although vid or screenies would be preferable)....    30 days no questions asked no appeals..

Next - ban evasion. We know a lot of you have alts/siblings/etc -  here is the crackdown part of this conversation.  You get yourself banned on a character with known alts..  ALL the alts will be banned too, don't care if was your brother or friend or your dad!  Whats the point of these mini bans to try and reduce cheating if you can just relog as someone else.  And if you think we don't know each and every one of your alts..  guess again.  To be perfectly honest me and DP have been letting you all get away with a lot.    Lets take a real example.

Before hydro became a VIP - I caught him twice digging into xray traps I made and banned him.  Then he got vip and also appealed to me personally on mumble for an unban.  So I unbanned him.  Then he gets caught using it again.  Not only that.. he was obviously using it several times when were clanned together, raiding bases.   SO I personally apologizde to all of Pwn9 for knowing about someone cheating and not banning them.

Starting 2013 - this all changes.  I am re-promoting my tremor77 alt to admin and quitting the game.  My new focus will solely be on managing the staff and players of YASMP with complete fairness, and strictness.

So a note to those who cheat or ride on that edge of it - tone it down.  If you like to do exploity things legitamately - don't.  If there is a chance that what you are doing, legitimately, that may trigger anticheat notices..  don't do them.  It's that simple.  The only way to clean up this server is to have a straightforward, no exceptions policy.

 

^ not official rules yet - opinions v below...  flames - keep them to yourself, lets have an honest and open conversation here.  As honest as we can atleast because I know most of y'all are using modded clients or hack clients to some extent. 

 

 

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sniperh5
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THANK you their is way to many HACKERS out their and they need to STOP BECAUSE ITS NOT FAIR TO PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PLAY RIGHT!!

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i didn't choose the exploit life, exploit life chose me. yoloswag2012

Dont Eff with my Pudding

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in all srs, 3 day nonappealable ban just because they "suspect" you u of cheating grants too much power for abuse imo.

i can set off nocheat violations for flying with ease without even using my fly mod (yes i have a fly mod, and i use it for playland, i ran this by DP before).

But i 100% agree with u about admins being more lenient towards VIPs+ when dishing out punishment/bans.

 

If you need help catching hackers, i'd consult with..i kno this is a bit crazy, but i'd ask mvk for help. For a 14-15 yr old, he knows a lot about how minecraft works and how to find easy and fast exploits. His knowledge on hacks is quite impressive. Like in the movie "core", when you need to find someone to help you with computer stuff, you get the most notorious hacker there is. An enemy of an enemy is a friend, and for mvk, litterally everyone is his enemy. wink wink

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I think I will just straight out ban anyone claiming to be from Planet Minecraft. I have seen a shift happen from normal planet minecraft reviewers to Official Minecraft Authority figures who reside at planet minecraft with the power to shut down servers themselves or through a direct line to Notch, cause glitches to happen when they go ingame* (see below), and want 1-on-1 access to all of the admins and owners on the server so we can give them a private tour of spawn. It was funny at first, even a couple of guys that were so idiotic that i couldnt stop laughing irl, but now it is just ridiculous.

soysoyseagull: hello i would love a tour from an admin or OP. i am from PlanetMinecraft

littleipp: Hello I Work For i'm a noob. and I would like a tour its my job to look at the servers 

Chris41: im from planet mc you might glitch

vasiliswags: tell theese people to stop following me and you
vasiliswags: this is my boss he is going to do the inspection

lamadude122: PlanetNoob people be nice they update the minecraft and what if notch comes on???
HotdogSlim: Notch won't come on. And if something like that happens the server owner would be notified first
lamadude122: they do work for minecraft and you play it you should respect them
HotdogSlim: 100% of the kids who claim to be from pmc usually are not. So we troll.
lamadude122: well what if someone does they could shutdown your server

So, all future "planet minecraft" people, shall be banned rather than trolled, without warning. But people who ask for a tour and dont mention Planet Minecraft should be fine.


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Tremor, I don't me to disregard your word, but lately lag has been a problem. This lag includes being sent backwards(sets off speed violation), not being able to hit(god mode violation) and overall slowness of hit registering(hitting too fast violation). So while almost all of what you said is completely true and correct, the lag is an absolute factor that needs to be considered. Just yesterday, I set off tons of moving violations which were caused by me being sent backwards. Anyone who pvp's can verify this is an active glitch. Just thought you should know trem.

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+1 quigee

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lol atleast you finally admit to it but you didnt include __________ (enter name here) for getting away with it to. anyways thanks for giving me slack atleast 15 - 20 times :p anyways whats the block glitch? i hope it doesnt have to do with my spamming of hit and block on the sword :/

 

 

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Sounds good to me. As for the breaking blocks too fast im a huge violater of that in PLAYLAND because i click too fast for the game to handle but in yasmp I havent had an issue. Also i havent seen many NCP violations for this. Also throwing snowballs too fast can do the same thing. (Why were snowballs banned?)

As for lag/accidently excuses, I have always been a firm believer that its a load of crap (cept the known ones) cause I rarely set off ncp and there is a lot of players that never set it off. I wont name names but when NCP violations show up it seems to be the same group of players over and over (with a few new names mixed in).

I think this crack down will do some good. As for chat how much more is going to be allowed? It just seems like everytime i log in more and more cussing is allowed. I dont even know what is and isnt allowed anymore. Then there are some words like ass for example (which you can say so im told) but you cant say asshole (god i hate talkin like that), then there are some words that can/cannot be used depending on how the word is used. Honestly i cant keep up with the rule changes in chat thus i dont take action unless its obvious.

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quigy, you're using nodus too and we all know it... just a matter of time before you slip up.  There is no server lag, (exception of Dec 24th we experienced some small issues because of broken cs:go server eating up CPU....) but 99% of the time YASMP runs at 20 TPS, which is MAX for a minecraft server.   

I wouldn't say 3 day ban for suspected hacks..    a NoCheat violation and an admin obvservation to follow up the violation and watch..    trust me, if you're playing legit with no hacks you aren't setting off that many violations..      unless  you're quigy and you claim to be far more elite, however laggier, than everyone else...   I don't buy it.

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Tremor I lag still legitminatly but atleast I have a reason I live in New Zealand & have a basic internet package.

 

The TPS doesn't matter much if you can only upload 0.5mbps afaik.

 

But its great to see the firmness coming in these nooblet times. Things have been too floppy & have honestly not been pleasureable at all.

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